Mr. WILCOTT - My. Mr. PREYER - Why did you resign from the CIA? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Assuming that Oswald was an agent for the CIA, would the agency's cash disbursement files have referred to either Oswald or to his cryptonym? 1964, of course, the Vietnam war was going on and Lyndon Johnson was now president. I then proceeded to write an article called The Glaze Letters for the May 1999 issue of Jerry Roses JFK assassination research journal called The Fourth Decade. Mr. WILCOTT - That is right. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I am sure somewhere. Please try again. Mr. DODD - And the information given you occurred sometime three months after the actual assassination. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. By comparing the window next to them, which measured 14 inches off the floor, one box was about 15 x 30 x 60 inches, and thus had an estimated capacity of 15 cubic feet. Mr. WILCOTT - They would have summaries of some sort. (Their previous address was 501 Elm Street on the first floor of the Dal-Tex building.). Admittedly, there is no record of Shelleys arrest, but that does not necessarily mean Glaze was wrong. His first day on the job was October 29, 1945. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, it never really came forward for you to go to the Warren Commission, did it? She confided this information to Mrs. Bergin and told her that she had a copy of the First Ladys dress, pink in color with the black velvet collar. Like Frazier, who was eating lunch in the basement, Oswald went to the first-floor lunchroom to eat his lunch. (Its address, I later learned, was 11310 Gemini Lane.) The letters themselves came to me from Larry Ray Harris, a prominent researcher of the Kennedy assassination, who knew a lot about the shooting of Officer Tippit and was featured in the British television documentary The Men Who Killed Kennedy. Prior to this time, the building was occupied by a wholesale grocery company engaged in supplying restaurants and institutions.[4] The wholesale grocery company was the John Sexton Company. Mr. WILCOTT - That is correct. Yet their new location was seven miles south of the intersection of Royal Lane and Interstate 35 at 8301 Ambassador Row. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And you have had access to the cash disbursement files at XXXXXXXXXXXXX Station? It was a total loss. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have a personal opinion as to how or for what purpose the CIA might have handled any projects that involved Lee Harvey Oswald? Two weeks later, he wrote back: Received your letter of July 7, 1999. exactly for sure. Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your knowledge, did the CIA ever conduct an investigation into your allegation that Oswald was an agent? That he continued to serve in a military, or semi-military, capacity at the same time he was working for a schoolbook company is indicated by his obituary, which said he was a veteran of World War II. Mr. PREYER - I will ask a few questions. While working as a journalist in Dallas, Tx. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. Did you have further questions? 3 By James Mathis and Martha Wagner Murphy Enlarge A photograph from Warren Commission exhibits shows the open limousine that carried President and Mrs. Kennedy through downtown Dallas. Mr. CORNWELL - When was that? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you prepare such a list? The memo said that Oswalds FBI informant number was S172 and that his CIA number was 110669. With that, I pass along my rather tiny candle, plus my best wishes and encouragement. Mr. WILCOTT - My wife and I came to believe that what CIA was doing couldn't be reconciled to basic principles of democracy or basic principles of humanism. Mr. WILCOTT - They were maintained on a thirty-day basis, and then they were closed off at the end of the month. About a year or two after her death, while his father was away, someone broke into the house and set it on fire, creating a furious blaze. In the decades following that fateful day, former employees of these companies have been reluctant to answer questions. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, it is your testimony that, once you left the XXXXXXXX station, people, both at headquarters, in Langley, and at the Miami Station, made references to Oswald being an agent, is that correct? Mr. DODD - You may have covered this as well, Mr. Chairman, and, if you have, I will drop the question. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. Mr. PREYER - And have you made that available to us? According to this person, shortly after going to work for Bill Schelly, she & another new employee were subjected to some rather odd questioning when considering they were hired as clerks. ). (SIG) in CIA Counterintelligence held a 201 file on Oswald in the three years prior to JFK's assassination. [12], A suggestion of smuggling activities within the TSBD comes in the form of boxes too large to be practical containers of books. Mr. SAWYER - Could you tell us what those things consisted of? Enclosing the back area is a high, chain-link fence with coils of barbed wire on top. If Shelleys claim to Glaze about his association with the CIA is true, it indicates that he was leading a double life as a schoolbook man as well as an intelligence operative. Through another researcher, I obtained Glazes mailing address. Apparently, security measures to keep people from talking continued even after they went into retirement or found other occupations. First of all I apologize for having to run in and out during your testimony and some of this you may have already covered; and, if you have, then I will not proceed with it. Wilcotts affidavit and deposition were declassified by the ARRB. I don't recall its origins with clarity, but I think it was given to me by a professor at Southern Methodist University here in Dallas. New security officers appeared. Mr. CORNWELL - You had signed a secrecy oath while you were employed with the Agency? I talked to reporters from various papers, and I talked to people in other forms of meetings, and to me it is not surprising at all. * JFK Facts editorJefferson Morley will personally answer your JFK questions. Mr. CORNWELL - To your knowledge, when was the first point in time at which your extra-agency discussions on this subject matter came to the attention of the Agency, if ever? Mr. WILCOTT - I flipped through it. James Earl Ray fired one shot at Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Mr. DODD - And this was a view shared by you and your, wife -- Free shipping for many products! Mr. WILCOTT - Not until after I left the agency. There is a very large spider guarding this web of secrecy. Mr. WILCOTT - It was a book that I had. [4] FBI report of Roy Truly interview by Nat Pinkston, November 23, 1963, File No. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I never really looked. During the period, it was unvouchered funds, and my duties were general accounting, and my rate in status was GS-5. Mr. GOLDSMITH - How many people made this reference to Oswald being an agent of the CIA? [2] Midnight/Globe, February 14, 1978. "[24] Lovelady must have been one of the other calm men, since, as previously noted, he made no response when Adams said that the president had been shot. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And what is the reason for that? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Two men, who identified themselves (with I.D.) I can't remember what it was. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. I don't know that anyone has ever looked into it. It was not until 1999 that I spoke to someone who could solve this apparent discrepancy. Mr. WILCOTT - They were retained for approximately one year by the finance office, approximately one to two years, and were destroyed at the time of audit. Mr. CORNWELL - Did they request that you leave? What it was is hard to guess. He was the mayor at that time. Reminder warnings were given on an individual or a small group basis. He learned this after the fact through various sources within the Agency, who all recognized what had happened after the assassination and the association of Oswalds name with the crime. Considering the far-reaching extent of control over so many occupations in American society, the CIA could very well have infiltrated the schoolbook depositories and their associated publishers. After leaving high school he might have continued as an intelligence operative working undercover in local defense plants (plural) during the last months of the war. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott after leaving the XXXXXXXXX Station, was there any other time when you came across any information that indicated that Oswald was a CIA agent? Mr. CORNWELL - The cryptonym -- did you write it down at any point? Jack Cason, the TSBD president, was a stocky, robust man before the assassination. I found it very, very difficult to talk about these things that I think ought to be talked about, very difficult. It was dated December 12, 1977,[11] and, at the bottom, it had the authors full name. And during that period, I had been promoted, GS-7 and also gained a career status. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. These promotions will be applied to this item: Some promotions may be combined; others are not eligible to be combined with other offers. [13], (As an aside, CIA officer William Harvey worked for Bobbs-Merrill in the last years of his life as a law editor.[14]). Mr. WILCOTT - I don't really have anything and maybe I would just like to say I think it is time we got this thing cleared up; and I think for the good of the country and for good of the people I think it is really time that all of the facts were brought out and the people really get the facts. I do. Upon request, the National Archives sent me a copy of the letter. Mr. DODD - I am a little confused, I suppose, Mr. WILCOTT - The basis for that is discussions that I had with people at the XXXXX Station. And we thought every year it was going to be coming out, and especially I didn't think that -- since what I had heard was all hearsay that I would never have seen Oswald or anything like that -- this is not the kind of thing that would be used for even something like the Warren Commission, and they would have to have something more substantial than that to go on, aside from the fact that I never would have done it in the CIA, being a very risky thing to do with the CIA. My actions were less courageous than they were the result of being nave. On October 5, 1986, Elsie Wilcott died of cancer. Two weeks later when I made a follow-up call, Kellner said that his partner Frank Morrow vaguely remembered the letter, but could not provide any additional information. Mr. CORNWELL - Did you -- at the time you made the decision to discuss outside of the Agency this matter, did you focus on the secrecy oath problem? [23] William Weston, Robert MacNeil and the Three Calm Men, in the November 1994 issue of The Fourth Decade. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you check your cash disbursement files? House of Representatives, Mr. GOLDSMITH - Your book. Mr. WILCOTT - To the best of my recollection, yes. Mrs. Bergin paid a great deal of money for that dress. about it & possibly do a story on it. He asked that a copy of the letter be sent to his homenot to the business addressand after he read it, he would check into it. Mr. GOLDSMITH - At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you learn the name of Oswald's Case Offficer at the CIA? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Is the answer to that "yes"? Give as a gift or purchase for a team or group. And do you know for a fact that he was given Russian courses? Mr. WILCOTT - That is true. It was more of a casual kind of thing, to my way of thinking. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, sir, the day after the assassination I don't think that there was any of that kind of talk. Wilcott worked in the accounting department and was in charge of disbursement of cash funds. Also in this investigative report is information and connections on prime suspects : CIA Agent William King Harvey, CIA Agent George Joannides , CIA Agent David Altee Phillips and the confessions of CIA agent David Sanchez Morals and E Howard Hunt. Mr. WILCOTT - No, I don't. Mr. CORNWELL - But your testimony or your statements on the subject hadn't been made a matter of publicity on any other occasion? This was about, believe -- about October of 1975. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978 . Garner went on to say that at the same time, around 1969, William Shelley quit the book depository and began working for Scott Foresman. [18], Less than a minute after the assassination, two Scott Foresman employees, Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles, who were on the fourth floor, ran down the stairs to the first floor. Mr. CORNWELL - That is, that subject matter, your statement on the Oswald agency matter, be printed or otherwise publicized in a news publication, radio or TV or anything like that on any other occasion? Mr. GOLDSMITH - When was that? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you know whether CIA Headquarters would have had either copies or originals of the cash disbursement files? In 1992, Congress passed the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act that placed all remaining government documents pertaining to the assassination in a special category and . Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I am sorry -- if Oswald was what? John P. Horton, XXXXXXXXX Section; XXXXXXXXXXXXX Branch; and Chester Ito, XXXXXXXXX Branch; and Kan Takai, XXXXX Branch; and Jim Delaney, China Branch; and Bob Rentner, SR Branch -- and there is some question about that, the branch he was with. every CIA Case Officer who worked XXXXXXXXXX in 1963? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Upon your memory and the list that your brought with you today, will you tell the Committee the names of the CIA Case Officers who you remember working XXXXXXXXXX in 1963? JFK FILES - The Roscoe White Story: -Grassy Knoll Assassin Or Hoax? As a CIA employee, Wilcott stated under oath that many people told him that Lee Harvey Oswald was an agent of the CIA after the assassination had occurred. Mr. WILCOTT - I may have, sir, and I can't remember. Mr. WILCOTT - On two other occasions, I was on KPOO Radio in San Francisco and I discussed in detail, in quite a bit of detail, the speculations and also the incident of the case officer contacting me at the window. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Referring to that list, would you tell the Committee where you were stationed during your period with the CIA? anyone? Mine was a happenstance meeting and short, casual friendship with a man who appeared to have fallen through the cracks. The home of Joe Bergin, Sr. and his wife seemed to have been a target for persecution, perhaps because Mrs. Bergin was strongly pro-Kennedy and actively worked for his election in 1960. I am sorry. The building is a large, one-story, concrete tilt-up, ideal for storing and moving huge quantities of material goods with forklifts and palettes. Dedicated to the political vision and legacy of John and Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., and Malcolm X,and to the investigation of their murders. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And were you dismissed by the agency or did you resign? He enjoyed giving to others, and loved the companionship of his four dogs. Mr. WILCOTT - That he was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work. 359-360, 386-387. Mr. WILCOTT - The details approximately two years. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I did. Their apartment looked as if no one had ever lived in it. [16] At the same time, the president of the company, Jack Cason, spent five days a week, Monday through Friday, in uniform at Fort Wolters at Mineral Wells (80 miles west of Dallas). Mr. PREYER - The committee will resume. James and Elsie Wilcott: CIA Profile in Courage From: . But their manner was very relaxed. I was really scared to go to the Government and talk about any of these things. This was preparing and reconciling payrolls. Other people who worked at the book depository suffered as well. They received threats over the telephone, even death threats. 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