Maybe Edith's lady's maid is new and she doesn't quite trust her to do her best when she's going to be seeing the King and Queen. But would that be the ending that Edith deserves? But because Edith is Edith, he dumped her at the altar . IN some cases there are indeed titles that pass through the maternal line such is the case of Mountbatten of Burma Louis Mountbatten having no sons, his eldest daughter is recognized as Countess Mountbatten of Burma in the letters patent. Excuse me, I know this isnt relevant to Downtown Abbey, but hypothetically, if one was to buy the title Lord and Lady of the Manor of and this person had four daughters, what would their daughters be called? But that means he would theoretically be 18 in the fall of 1939, which is exactly when World War II broke out in Europe. This theory all comes down to . So Edith might not actually be able to manage it on her own. 4,289, This story has been shared 2,664 times. The family refer to the housekeeper and cook as Mrs and their family name regardless if they were ever married or not. I guess she may not technically be a Lady's Maid but a "maid who does buttons and hooks". I studied in the UK. In a bit of a confusing adjunct to this, when the wife has no title of her own, the wife of a younger son is addressed as Lady (first name of husband). Theres damage being done here! Alas, no. Tom is the Granthams son in law, Lady Sibyls widower. After finding Edith in London, a plan is concocted whereby the daughter Marigold will be raised in the house with the other two grandchildren already there. Gladys Denker is a maid to the Dowager Countess. When they visited the possible future Downton Place, I got a bit excited, because for me the issue undercutting this whole plot point about whether the family might lose Downton Abbey is that of course the television program is called Downton Abbey. 1 Comment. Sometimes the ex-wife wants to hold onto a title, but cannot. She is the Countess of Grantham. But isnt it wild to think of Carson and Cora having an affair? Lord Granthams wife, Cora Crawley (played by Elizabeth McGovern) is known asLady Grantham. It's mentioned in series 4 (IIRC) - Lady Mary ask Anna to look after Rose while they are in London because they can't take Madge away from Lady Edith who is staying at Downton Abbey. Ill be awaiting them while munching on champagne-basted asparagus and Calvados-glazed duck. That would be charming except the rest of the clip is just Downton Abbey cast members puzzling over her epic bad luck. Well, the countys name is Grantham so, obviously, the Robert is Lord of Grantham. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! Ms. Jenny, Also, you only mention two daughters. Lady Mary Crawley (played by Michelle Dockery) has been the resident mean girl on "Downton Abbey" ever since it premiered in 2011 (via IMDb ). So lets call her Anne. The newly pregnant Lady Grantham slips on a bar of soap, falling onto the bathroom tiles and inducing a miscarriage. But when George inherits, it would be proper to call him Lord Grantham. Downton Abbey invests a lot of time and effort in convincing us that John Bates, Lord Grantham's trusty, is a great guydespite his checkered past and multiple murder allegations. Photograph courtesy of Carnival Film & Television Ltd. 2012 for Masterpiece. or when Anna (maid) became a ladys maid.. they asked if its OK to keep calling her Anna instead of Bates.I am so confused.Thank you for your time and help.All the best,Shirley. The show has always made a point of depicting her as a bitter loser, which is not only unkind, but unfair. A peer only ever uses their most senior title. Sadly, Sybil died giving birth to their daughter. The fact she can transform from drab Lady Edith to drop-dead gorgeous glamazon to walk the red carpet, and elicit reactions . The more senior staff are referred to as Mr/Miss or Mrs and sometimes by their first names if there is a more personal relationship between them. Its a sad moment, but its also, Reddit claims, the source of the houses future misfortune. It would, however, be incorrect to refer to Lady Grantham as Lady Cora. Titles do not necessarily have any connection to the location of the owner of a title. And, of course, because Edith is Edith, she found herself taking television's most common journey: From Virginity To Pregnancy In One Encounter. After enjoying a day of fox hunting and an evening of sparkling conversation, Kemal Pamuk drops dead right in Lady Marys bed. The farmer agreed to pretend to accept her story that this baby totally belonged to a terribly scandalous friend of Edith's, and Edith couldn't keep her in the house because of the terrible shame that would result from her family being associated with this scandalous friend. Robert dies. Ill consider this tidbit an early Christmas gift. I also feel bad for Lady Edith, who saw the one time things in that house were finally about her go terribly, terribly wrong, but Sir Anthony is a putz. He claims he likes Lady Edith and likens her to the people we all know in life who can never get it together. The main question I have coming out of this episode: Whats left to resolve? There, at the insistence of Aunt Rosamund, Edith placed her child informally not legally with some very nice Swiss people, apparently, but she almost immediately began having second thoughts. Due to the familys commitment to avoiding any unpleasantness, the only thing that could mitigate this dynamic, the intervention of the parents, does not take place. Another old custom, often written into the fathers will when a daughter inherits estate & titles with no surviving brothers, and then marries. And when she actually met someone who liked her, he was driven off by Mary, who was angry at Edith for revealing that Mary's romantic activities were so amazing that they killed a Turkish guy. Tsk.). It's probably really a case of storytelling trumping historical accuracy. Being American, I fear I have a rather limited understanding of the British system regarding the bestowing of titles. 2023 Minute Media - All Rights Reserved. Downton Place. These two do not like each other, and theyre quite public about it. And thats what I aim to explain in this article. Theres a lot to admire about Matthews mother, who regularly steps out of her comfort zone to improve the lives of the less fortunate, but shes also more than a tad condescending. Over six seasons of Downton Abbey , she has faced an unusually high number of heartbreaks and obstacles for a woman of aristocratic means, despite her . My understanding is that the lower-ranking staff are addressed by the first name, (e.g., Daisy) and higher-ranking staff who are responsible for their area, (e.g., Mr. Carson in in charge of footmen so on, Ms. Hughes in charge of maids, and Ms. Patmore in charge of the cooks) or who work directly for the family, (e.g., Mr. Bates) or maybe sometimes I guess it could be some more familiar with some staff, (e.g., Anna starting off lower on the ladder and then moving up to waiting on a member of the family). Downton Abbey is, without doubt, one of the most consistently popular TV shows produced in recent times. Even Matthews death happened right after he blissfully met his son. As his father had no title, only was heir, even if Robert had a second title, which he does not, George wouldnt have it. Sure, Mary endures tragedy, but Mary is also wealthy, chic, and constantly pursued by scores of handsome suitors. The staff among themselves follow a hierarchy depending on their position in the household and their personal relationship with each other. . Mary will not have a title unless she marries a person of title. I always had a soft spot for this particular ginger maid, who was treated poorly by her baby daddys parents, but once is enough for that story line. Why does this happen to Edith? is never taken to task for the comments she makes putting her little sister down. She won't be content to let other people tell her that she can't be an unwed. Of course, the season could move away from this. Read up on all the merriment there. How dare Edith exist for something other than marriage? He would almost certainly enlist, as show creator Julian Fellowes himself has suggested. Cora wake up! Thank you for explaining though, I found it frustrating that the article left that key point out. The kitchen maids wondered why she was so tired looking, she was reminded of her missing/presumed dead lover, she had to pretend to not care about her secret bastard daughter (whose name is Marigold for some reason), and she almost burned down the entire house after she drunkenly threw a book into the fire. Thank you! If Lord Grantham were to die, George would be the Earl of grantham. It would be incorrect to refer to him as Lord Robert, however. Remember, Lady Sibyls Fenian nuptials were also denied to us. Unless she marries a peer, and has that title, could become a Duchess or Countess, but can never be Dowager Countess of Grantham. Well, to Americans this isnt obvious. With rapier wit, effortless beauty, and keen social. ), and had a thing for her (yay! Thomas: Lets make that three wedding receptions we were swizzed out of. I interviewed over 400 women, teens, and girls about their sister relationships, and heard many stories of how damaging the constant day-to-day abuse can be to the recipients self-esteem. This is Our Violet. (Though I liked the idea of a succession of increasingly diminutive names. 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Why doesn't Lady Edith have a lady's maid? Younger sons of Dukes and Marquesses are the only people that should be addressed as Lord [First Name] and daughters of Earls, Marquesses and Dukes should be addressed as Lady [First Name]. She is the author of Divorce: How to Tell the Kids, Runaway Husbands and My Sister, My Self. But in time her sons wife could be. And yet, when Fellowes was interviewed about Edith, he claims that nothing could be further from the truth. She should now that she has such a high status, but this particular Lady's Maid doesn't get much mention. As our fictional Downton storyline goes, Robert is the 7th Earl and finds himself without heir. In the Season 1 finale, tragedy strikes. Kois: But maybe the return of this ginger maid augurs a return of the other, even cuter ginger maid, Gwen Dawson, though hopefully not as a visitor to Mrs. Crawleys Home for Aged Prostitutes. Crawley is the familys surname, Grantham is their title. These fan theories include secret parentage, undercover spies, and, of course, poison. Should something happen to Robert, the title would pass to George making Cora the Dowager Countess. Fellowes seems to have positioned her decision not as a bold move for feminism, but an opportunity to show once more that a womans greatest success is tied up in giving birth to a child and loving it. (Which, quite frankly, she already is, to these people.) Denker and Spratts unprofessional squabbles wouldve gotten plenty of other servants fired, but fans believe the Dowager Countess keeps them employed for her own amusement. To have to leave a child she loved with complete strangers could not have been easy. It just isnt done. Where does Grantham come from? I dont remember Annas position prior to her being a ladys maid but she was known to the family and staff as Anna and they appeared to wish to continue to call her Anna after she became a ladys maid if there was not any objection. But theres been precious little kindness shown to Edith over the years. This has led some fans to speculate that Lady Mary is actually the daughter of Carson, the familys beloved butler who has always acted as as sort of second father to Mary. Cookie Notice Finally, a clear explanation of where Grantham comes from when it isnt anyones name! Considering all this, it should come as no surprise that fans have developed similarly wacky theories about the show. Would he be Viscount Downton? When he became the estate agent he was an employee again and she said they could call him Branson again. I have a question: under what circumstances is it correct to address someone with the title Lord/Lady and his/her first name? Even Molesley, who could be considered the Jerry of Downton Abbeyhasstarted to win the admiration of the new lady maid, Baxter. 1,592, This story has been shared 1,546 times. The new husband is required to take the family name in order to receive his father-in-laws title. Three generations easily distinguished. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Its a perfectly fair, wonderful, and believable ending for Edith, which is why Im convinced it wont ever happen. Bb), but if you plot out genetic probabilities on a basic Punnett square, two blue-eyed parents with double bbs have seemingly no shot at producing a Bb baby. But Decider has more specifically theorized that George would join the Royal Air Force (RAF), with a desire to rebel against his emotionally distant mother and find purpose in a greater cause. Sounds like George would be taking part in some dangerous missions, putting the entire familys future at risk. Cora would also become a dowager countess, but would Mary? The deliciously mean-spirited piling on of indignities is unjust . She is persistently tormented by an unknown feeling, a sort of vague discomfort at the knowledge of a possibly sinister presence . Another one suggests that Gregson was a British spy gathering intel on the insurgent Nazisand he might not have died at all. There is also Violet Crawley (played by Maggie Smith) who is Lord Granthams mother and the wife of the previous Lord Grantham. So would George just be Mister like his father Matthew? Im pretty excited about thatif ever there was a couple that deserved mutually assured destruction, its them. My mom emailed me last week to complain that we didnt catch a glimpse of Marys. But since shes a marchioness she would be expected to have a ladys maid to show her status and power. And so, Edith undid the informal arrangement and brought her baby back to Downton (while everyone else is away), and placed her with a local farmer and his family. ), but had an institutionalized wife (boo!). Did we lose one along the way? Otherwise, she would work, and wait, and hope, and be happy. I can just imagine the googly eyes! The show, which gives a look at the life of the Crawleys, a fictional aristocratic family who run and own the Downton estate. The Earl of Grantham is a peer and the eldest son of the Earl of Grantham would be styled Viscount Downton, however the Viscount Downton wouldnt be a peer as he is using the title by right of his father, who actually is the title holder. Peerages are created by the British monarch, like all Crown honors, being affirmed by Letters Patent affixed with the Great Seal of the Realm. 1. So sad that she almost burned the house down by accident. When Lady Edith becomes pregnant with Michael Gregsons child, she finds a strong support system in her aunt, Lady Rosamund Painswick. So Georges wife would be known as the Countess of Grantham, and both Cora and Violet would be known as the dowager, unless they had to be identified apart in which case it theyd be known as Cora Crawley, 7th Countess of Grantham and Violet Crawley, 6th Countess of Grantham. But honestly I am not at all worried about the future. OK, so if Robert Crawley, Seventh Earl of Grantham, had a son he would the the Viscount Downton. When Edith asks him the true reason why he came up to Scotland, he reveals he wants to get to know her family. Another case is that some of the Scottish Earldoms, such as the Earldom of Newburgh. It's a good thought, but I think that's the sort of thing she might to at the beginning of the show, to prove her importance and compete with Mary, but her whole character arc over the series and film shows her becoming more modern, learning that not everything important is about fancy clothes and large drawing rooms, and having a life outside of her battle with her older sister. 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