Pretty small and isolated country town. Youre welcome to come visit and help during the next election cycle. When you need mags that you can count on with each and every shot, make sure you turn to Rock River Arms! RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. Any I have to ask WHY? The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, I would say that Ruger has done more to support the 2A than all other companies combined. That doesnt change whats actually been proven that was three years ago. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. I had the EMP4 Contour and a TRP on my 2017 list. Heres a basic synopsis of the original company; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history. However, if youre willing to spend a little extra money on your rifle, Rock River Arms is definitely worth considering. Magpul moved to WY. While it was a great pistol, the front strap checkering was just way too aggressive for bare hands. You see once you jump in bed with the marketing types and throw millions at image you quickly discover that your rudder fell off long ago and now youre not sure what you stand forif anything. Its pretty much just SA and RRA (and maybe a few tiny shops, but those are pretty much the only two big gun makers in Illinois). Your opinion and yourre entitled to it and welcome to voice it here, though it seems you prefer that others not voice theirs if they disagree with you. Rock River Arms offers its version with a twist near and dear to my heart: the new LAR-15 pistol is available in both right- and left-hand configurations. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. Was going to purchase a TRP and was looking at RRA ar. I wont name them, but the sales people at certain companies worked hard (and maybe even fudged some dates on paperwork) to make sure that I got my magazines before the deadline in the law hit. Thats how capitalism works. Like other gun-manufacturers Springfield can move its operations to a gun-friendly state. Yuge. Its like saying Saturn is really, really big, and huge, too! Henry and Ruger for the win. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. If you dont like their price dont buy. In the world of .308 Win. Now that I understand what occurred its pretty obvious as gunners we need to pass on Springfield and run to Henry. I just bought a DDM4V11 in January at an unheard of, low price of $1369. If CTD notices panic buying, cancels prior sales and refunds them, so it can resell stuff that belonged to its customers, thats not their right. Send a signal to IL Senators and the Governor that supporting the bill is politically a trainwreck. I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. Boom. I read somewhere that there is a city named Springfield in almost every state in the Union. Whats the hangup for SA? Screw CTD. had I known earlier, I might have bought a few more colt revolvers..god I wish Id known. That guy knows the M14 and M1a rifles. They are a leader in the firearms field with a vast array of products that work correctly. Some times they have deals. when supply cant meet demand, then the price increases.. this draws more suppliers into the market to meet demand and you see the price decrease. Bonus was it was stainless frame and made in the USA. How did Ruger even survive to do a turn-around? You are both dead to me now. County fairs? We are not obligated to honor a price that is in print or an error. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. Like a shrewd negotiator, Harmonhappily added a manufacturer and big box retailer carve-out to the bill so he couldcobble together the last few votes he needed to get it through the Senate. Posted: 1/27/2021 10:51:01 AM EST. WebCoyote Carbine Upper Half LAR-15M .300 AAC. Thankfully, we still have two more chances to stop this travesty of a bill. I look at their site and the parts were available from the same warehouses at a higher price. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. I know people who continue to not buy Ruger even after his kids made up for the old mans traitorous ways. Sooner or later they are going to destroy you. Also, RRA derives the bulk of its money from government and LE contracts so youll have a really hard time bankrupting them with a civvie sales boycott. Several other really good CCs out there too if you want one of the big mfgs. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History. Ive spoken with a couple of bigger dealers in Illinois in the past 24 hours. This attention to accuracy is especially evident in Rock Rivers new model, the Advanced Tactical Hunter V2 (ATH V2). We do not need traitors in our midst. Or in the General Assembly. Same here. Do you rednecks and white trash go out of your way to get the their wrong every single time? With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! Frankly, Im wondering how Im going to sell my existing inventory.. I think sometimes its just because they are new to the hobby of guns. And rra. Not everyone reads TTAG or keeps up with this sort of in the weeds stuff. Another dealer told me he wished Springfield well. Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. (And I can guarantee he would never speak to me like that in person.). And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . Granted, the company isnt run by a Henry these days but I thought the paper trail of ownership was fairly clear and unbroken. Not now. Not a smart move in a buyers market, or any really. Anyway, at least for now, I will bide my time and see if Springfield repents and takes positive actions to atone for their irrational IL acts. thats what Illinois is hoping for stand our ground, Springfield got me right in my Grip Zone with this move, bu-bye SA. ), I DO have a choice with firearms. If IFMA had stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the NRA-ILA, the Illinois State Rifle Association, Guns Save Lifeand the National Shooting Sports Foundation working as a team to oppose this egregiousbill wed have had a good chance of depriving anti-gunners of a badly needed win. The vast majority of companies can do what they want to, but have have to insist that firearms companies fight for the 2nd EVEN WHEN ITS NOT IN THEIR COMPLETE SELF INTEREST TO DO SO. As has been said by numerous others, that Springer I had thought about buying just got thrown under the bus. Two more companies added to my do not buy from list. Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. This just proves that point. Neither will have the working capitol to sustain a relocation. I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. This is how capitalism works. No more. If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. Antifa is showing what they are willing to do, watch their fellow komrad take a LEO beanbag round to the wang and keep marching. RRA models, like the RRAGE, LAR15, BTB, ATH, LAR68 & Light Mountain, are available in many different color options and calibers. Those bastards. I fail to see how giving the box stores a leg up on the gun shops helps Rock River or Springfield Arms in any way. You write as though weve been asleep. They rebrand the HS2000 as the XD and jack up the price $200. Compare. The XD and Saint are good guns, but they really arent all that different from a lot of other good guns on the market. My favorites in their calibers, cherished in my collections. Maybe the deal was the result ofa lobbyist gone rogue. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. Its their prerogative. Shame! Theyre sole purpose is to protect their own interests. The response was to Mark about the others being vastly superior, not your comment. The lobbyists sometimes seriously overestimate how happy something will make a member or simply dont have the time to keep the membership completely up to date with minute-by-minute updates on how wrangling over a bill is proceeding. Both Ruger and S&W learned from their mistakes, I do not know if these two can. There are millions of people in the US who no longer think that its enough to fight and die for these rights. Damn This is turning into that mob with the torches looking for Frankenstein. What part of their history am I missing Gov? AR-15 Parts. If you apply more than 9 make-ups in a year, you are in cosmetology businesses. Welp. He didnt say, Hey, we screwed up. This is why I said should not will. Or cameras? Sure, the majority will be DOA, but blue and swing states will see this get passed using this an example of good gun control that even firearms companies support. Great comment, but I dont think it is enough. RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. They must be put out of business for their treachery. No Springfield guns for me. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. Wrong. Sorry for the spelling error. And theyre telling their friends. thats what matter and they put that last. An XD and its in .40? This should put some perspective on how important this issue is to many of us. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. Yes, that is the cloud which is usually much larger than the silver lining. Hes totally grasping at straws on that point in his video. Includes larger .1555 MSRP: $111.99 $75.81. And then maybe. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. If people werent buying at these prices than there would be no market. It will make my future purchases easier because two manufacturers are automatically removed from my search and consideration. Glad to see TTAG not shy away from it. Magpul moved. As far as the trigger, if the RRA has the 2-stage trigger, it is much better than the stag. We will support our Illinois brethren and NOT purchase anything from Springfield Armory or RRA. Which would help with elimination if in the future. WebRock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer that produces a variety of rifles, pistols, and parts for civilian, law enforcement, and military markets. Gun owners should have bankrupted Ruger immediately, but they didnt. Youve just restated Bill Rugers justification for selling out gun-rights so he could keep his company viable. Enjoy 45% Off Rock River Arms Goods At Walmart. You would answer your own question if you noticed my opening remark: Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. So, buying 5 and selling 4 is the limit. I realy liked this ranger officer mogel all stainless nice looking gun. What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. How does what a lobbying group receives from a company 3 years ago translate to what the lobbying group does in the present? Built on the companys RRAGE upper and lower receiver and handguard assemblies, the pistol delivers a sleek profile. And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. Im appalled that Rock River thinks that we are that gullible.. That kind of thing actually happens all the time in lobbying. Advertise their treachery. The RBG-1S is available in .308 Win./7.62x51 and 6.5 Creedmoor, with a 20-, 22- or 24-inch barrel, and a black, green or tan stock. As if they want to implode. This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. At the same time, Rock River Arms began to build AR-15 style rifles. Rock River Arms also produces M1911 pattern pistols, bolt-action rifles, and AR-15 style pistols in assorted calibers. [5] [6] I ended up buying an Honor Defense Honor Guard. Very pleased with it, as it has most of the features I wanted on a CC weapon. PERIOD. Now I wish I had not. I bought 6 smith & wessons before I ever knew about the incident. Beretta (ex-MD) and Remington (ex-NY) make your statements look foolish. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions.. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. It was a great decision, I have never looked back. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, including AR-15 and M16 rifles, as well as pistols, shotguns, and bolt-action rifles. Its a freakin disaster. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. Do they somehow know the licensing scheme is going to be corrupt or extremely expensive? Done. Never buying anything from springfield ever again and my one xdm is up for sale as of yesterdayI dont even want it in my safe. One dealer told me hes pulling Springfield product from his shelves to give his salespeople a break from carping customers. Now they piss on us and tell us its raining? No further recommendation about the products will be made. NOW all I can think is SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! AR Parts. Since 2002. Rock solid performer. Dont forget about the Ruger, Smith and Wesson sellout.. Im both an Illinois resident and a SA collector with over half of my collection being custom and box SA products. One of the few cases of sincere contrition. An American voting for a Democrat Are they doing town halls? This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. The Ruger is berween $6-700. Even if its expensive, SA is in a better position to pay the fee than Hank and Ethels gun shop. Does anyone really buy RRAs BS, We didnt know? They profess innocence at this point, lets see if their actions match their words. That being said, even if we do, Springfield is done as a company. Is there a list somewhere? * How to order a firearm: See The Guide. The idea being that this bill is so toxic that Senators passing it or the Governor signing it will be drawn into a wide-ranging financial and criminal probe. They seemed like a freedom loving company that supported the right for people to do what they had rights to do. Good for them. Thats bad, dont get me wrong. Join up with other interest groups if common goals can be found. How many model airplanes can I buy, sell or trade in one year? Peoplr lose jobs, get divorced, buy better guns and so on. Springfield cleaning to get the taint out of there. This says a lot about the people running the company. Every damn one of you bad asses crying I wont buy from them again would have done the same thing. I made the move to northwest Indiana 20 years ago. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Most importantly, support our brothers in arms in Illinois. Huh? As for Springfield Armory, Im really sorry to see them cross over to the dark side. All businesses are licensed at the state level. What would I do if I was RRA and SAI? And whats worse, if it passes, Bloomberg will attempt to duplicate this legislation in all 50 states. Also check out the BM 59 kits and complete rifles out there. Asit should. Springfields CEO on the other hand, either through stupidity, hamhandedness or outright lying has seriously damaged his company. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. To whom will they sell? Wheres the proof they had enough influence to dictate what that organization did. If Rauner is serious about re-election he will veto this flaming sack of shite. Make the bill political kryptonite. Until I see some evidence that they knew of and/or supported this I will not rush to blame RRA for what a trade industry group that they happen to fund did. I am still trying to figure out how best to get rid of my XD-40 and assist in flooding the market with used XD pistols. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State Either dont have any or I overpay to have the stock and have it at a price that everyone individual doesnt want to buy the whole lot at once. I buy and shoot a lot of guns, and this includes SA models, but I have put them on notice that I will never buy another unless they make this right. I was going to buy the Saint, seemed like a.nice rifle, now.they can piss up a rope. Some mightsay IFMAs change of heart might not have made a definitive difference. For folks like me, it is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die for these rights, but to be willing to kill for them as well. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. I bought my first Rock If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. This is going to be really bad for RRA and Springfield. No guilt trip on my hip. A Rock River two-stage match trigger or even a 3-pound single-stage trigger would be a recommended upgrade. Moved my medical business AND brought my family. Both are were on their way to selling over a quarter million of Springfield product this year. Robert, and we, the honest and dedicated advocates of the 2A and gun owners stand by TTAG in this. I only want American Made firearms like Henry & Ruger. Springfield could have fought thisor vocally opposed it on its way to potential passage. That is their only 2 clients because it only exists and was created for them. Now Im off to call Cabelas and inform them of SAs treachery and why i will not buy from them as long as they carry SA product, http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?recordsPerPage=18&No=0&N=0&nl=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=Springfield+Armory&search=Search. If truth about guns knows whats good for them, theyll be taking this story down and apologizing publicly for spreading untrue assumptions. Rock River Arms sent me a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle with a tan stock and 24-inch barrel for testing. Pick something and follow it. This isnt really about the law itself. His quote was basically the above damned if I do damned if I dont and that it wasnt worth the headache. Find Senators and Representatives in close political battles last election and get their previously defeated opponents on board. +1, they are a bunch of liars praying on the ignorant. There are more corrupt justices out their than honest ones. You can learn to make good parts on a CNC a lot faster than on a Bridgeport or SouthBend. They make a so-so M14 copy that can only stand up because Norinco cant export their el-cheapo copy here anymore. We need more FFLs down here so there will be some competition. Please, spend your money where you want. CZ-75/85 are great guns. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. Im not ordering anything Springfield. We want our dealers and our valued customers to know we wont ever do anything like this again., We fully support the Second Amendment and stand by it. SA created it). Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but check out Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. WebProduct Description. What would you have done differently if you ran SA or RRA with a workforce that is similarly trapped in soviet Illinois and depends on your company staying open and profitable to keep their jobs? 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