I will try to upload a pic if it'll let me. Caliber 15mm, length 122cm. View all posts by Wolfgang von Brauchitsch , TOY FOR A BOY DREYSE TESCHING from 1894. 1839. The idea behind such a test is to verify the strength of the barrel, breech and firing system of a firearm by deliberately firing an over-pressured cartridge. 1, Six-Round, Double-Action Pinfire Revolver. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! arquebusier in Lige passage Lemonnier, 11. Email: ghcox3@gmail.com. I have tried to look up an 1136 but am unable to locate them anywhere. 8. . Serial number on tang is 2004. Bernard Ernest The mark was seldom requested, Chamber dimensions in millimeters shotguns undergoing smokeless proof. Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. The famous "hump back" was made in countless configurations and gauges. (copy right L.R. Double made in the mid 1890's. Counet - Genot Belgium double barrel 16 Gauge SN 13938 preBelgium double barrel 16 Gauge SN 13938 pre 1898 fine old Belgium imported exposed hammer shotgun, Leige proofed, floral engraved receiver showing some; FINE 19C. Original British Martini-Henry Rifle Extractor Mk IV From $34.95 Free Domestic Shipping on orders $300+ Hassle Free 30 Day Return Period 100% Safe Secure Checkout Guaranteed Authentic to the Historical Period 1 On the chamber or or lock on muzzle loading which has passed final black powder proof. Project Upland. Bury was famous for his double rifles and also built the legendary Super Britte. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Greetings Easthampton,I have been researching an old antique pistol that has been in our family for generations.What leads me to your group was the Hits and Misses article posted in 2014; on Deciphering Belgian Proof Marks (my piece has the spelling Belgium). There's no indication of gauge. Receiver, trigger guard, hammers and side locks are engraved with a floral motif. Do you have any information on them? After this, the firearm is examined to make sure it is still intact and if so, the metal (usually the barrel) is stamped with . Other makers include Lebeau Courally and Mahillon. so that means it is for sure a 12 gauge? Cowboy & Old Western History Items 2/3/2023 Bargain Basement 2/3/2023 Check our Services. It has punched on one side of barrel 17.2, on the other side punched JC, EL ,pinfire symbol, K and crown on its top, E LG little crown under them in oval.Please help me to get the closest identification for this nice firearm. Early double barrel hammer shotgun. And I have a photo taken at Winchester, TX with Maj. Thomas Doan during the Dusty March, July 1863, Dechard, TN. You can easily choose the shotgun you need on Ammoterra.com. Comblain H. J. [Later note: Gerhard Wirnsberger has written. Side by side with auto ejectors and single selective trigger. Share to Reddit. I've owned two Belgian side by sides and two Browning Superposed, so I guess I can say that I have some acquaintance withtwentieth centuryones, but unlike my posts on antique English shotguns I don't have an antique Belgian one at hand to describe. If the price seems too good to be true, it probably is. Do check with a gunsmith before you shoot it! The Browning website features a page where you can search for your firearm's serial number or click on the model to locate the serial number. Bouquin Ad It has been just recently released but has received some exposure in the gun blogs. Damascus barrels are 30". Berleur Michel Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. It could be almost anything: an English Greener, which would have Birmingham, England, proof marks, or it could be a double of dubious origin. Put it in an old tire, put a 5 lb bag on the over the top . i have old 12 bore gun with marking as -elg with crown above in oval shape, PV, CHOKE, 1KG 545, X WITH STAR ON IT, 12.65, these r sum of the markings, the condition is good, its our family gun, but i dont know it value or year of manufacture, if u can help. Does it reach the touch hole? Last edited on 20 February 2023, at 21:10, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_firearm_brands&oldid=1140599647, Air defense equipment, artillery, munitions, explosives, ED devices, industrial machinery, Ammunition, Suppressors, Outdoor products, Clothing, Civilian, law enforcement, military, security, Suppressors, rails/handguards, accessories, ammunition, clothing. English sidelock with hammers by Manton. . Delcour-Dupont was a barrel maker in Nessonvaux, Belgium. I can't tell if it was proved for nitro: those have a lion over the PV. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. The blue is rough but the action works. Maximum service load for shotguns having undergone smokeless proof. John M. Browning's first rifle, the Single Shot, was made in Ogden, Utah. Bovy Thodore Joseph Bernard Lambert outlawman7 - The reason for a lack of response here may be found in the post immediately above yours. I can't help you with the ID of the gun but there countless European gun makers, many of them Belgium, around the late 1800's early 1900's. They range in quality from very good to . Clment Walter Now represents definitive black powder proof except for muzzle loaders, This mark is found on barrels and locks after voluntary semi-smokeless proof, Standard smokeless powder proof on military rifles below 8mm caliber.1898-present, Standard smokeless proof for all arms.1903-present, Mark applied to barrels which failed proof and have returned to makers for reworking. 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Where did you find the Falla mark? I suspect the gun is a Janssen. Bauduin Charles Sorry! This little sixteen is a fine example for the Belgian craftsmenship and will be even today a perfect gun for upland hunting. Marks visible are crown-over-U (final proof) and eagle-crown-over-S (smoothbore) and -W (choked). Belgian Pinfire. I have pics of the Proof marks I want to show you. Share to Twitter. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Category: Boxlocks. The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information.Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker . Stock has a repaired crack at wrist. Damascus barrels are 30". Smokeless powder proof of military rifles until 1903, thereafter indicates nitro proof for all types of arms. Ancion Jacques & Cie Heyday of the Shotgun: The art of the gunmaker at the turn of the last century. Belgian gun makers of that era were notorious for blatantly copying other makers firearms, using names that were close to famous makers such as "W Richards" for "Westley . Do you have any knowlege of pinfire double barrels? Stock has a chip near wrist, otherwise shows normal field wear. It was mandatory post-1924. )t/!Z $e9]DG=Ljr%@6) 8F&Kx[2l~WY7#|9&~L~G3jjV?~2SN?2&=qb'3d0W>l#G2;/|D)c~liS>2lVbD""L0M7;Q"gd)g"G{\3efBd. The IZh motorcycles and automobiles are manufactured by. He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. Breechloaders had existed previously, but Casimir Lefaucheuxs 1835 invention of the pin-fire cartridgea cylinder with a pin extending at right angles to the base which detonated a fulminate charge in the cartridgequickly led to better breechloading systems and to the development first of rimfire and then of centerfire cartridges.Dating pin-fire guns: the 1835 date of Lefaucheuxs invention gives us a convenient terminus a quo: if the pin-fire wasnt invented until 1835, any pin-fire gun cannot be earlier than 1835. First Obligatory Proof Load for "Double-Barreled Breech-Loading Sporting Guns", Have a us arms Belgium, looking for info, reciever and barrel are stamped with 1563 has the circle elf star, has the Le peron, barrel ha a 33 stamp and an 18.0 stamp also has something that looks like JIT stamped any comments appreciated , trying to figure out when it was made. Colard Louis - Counet Lonard Clment Charles Philibert Locks, hammers and trigger guard are scroll engraved. I have a Belgium 38-40 with a 7 in barrel all matching. 13. Thanks. Sounds like a 19th C. Belgian pinfire shotgun (grin). Original butt plate is very good, no chips or cracks. But of course he also made quite normal guns for the average hunter. Handsome pinfire double manufactured in the 1860's. Some sharp photos might help; send them to (ghcox3@gmail.com). We present shotguns with a wide variety of features, technical characteristics, and prices from the worlds best companies, such as Chiappo, Italy; Tar Ideal Concept LTD, Israel and the leader of Chinese gun-industry - China North Industries Corp. (NORINCO). Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. % For sale is a unique old Damascus steel Very large double barrel 10 ga shot gun. Manufactured in the 1860's. 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